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i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to be more people with information, this is not a surprise to most inside the beltway? >> i don't want to get into that rt of speculation. i think what majority leader cantor did in terms of immediately referring it back to the fbi, in terms of what he was alerted was obviously the right way to handle this. having said that, understand that republicans want to hear what general petraeus had to say because he was the decision maker for the cia. this is not getting the number two. they want to know what the decisions were, what the information was there, how he proc
i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to...
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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn contributor. does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what t
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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in the fbi, there's no computer system inside the cia or the fbi that's connected to the internet. they're completely different systems. everybody at the cia knows you cannot put classified information inside public e-mail addresses. it just doesn't happen. the director, the rest of it -- yeah, there's a slight chance that someone could get some inside scoop on the director. but blackmail, come on, no. this guy's disciplined. he's smart, except for this affair. but he knows what he's doing. so the chances of actually getting into his e-mail and getting secrets are very remote. >> yeah. >> remote to none. >> because he had an affair doesn't mean he's not smart. he was vulnerable in that particular -- >> no, no. people succumb to it. he did. it's a tragedy. he was a great general. it's a tragedy for everybody concerned. i think frankly these things should just be kept quiet and people deal with it quietly. but i'm saying there's something else that we don't know that forced the urgency on this. and i'm very curious to see what it is. >> bob, we have to leave it there. thank you. appr
in the fbi, there's no computer system inside the cia or the fbi that's connected to the internet. they're completely different systems. everybody at the cia knows you cannot put classified information inside public e-mail addresses. it just doesn't happen. the director, the rest of it -- yeah, there's a slight chance that someone could get some inside scoop on the director. but blackmail, come on, no. this guy's disciplined. he's smart, except for this affair. but he knows what he's doing. so...
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secondly the moment that the fbi and the fbi director found out or realized general petraeus was within the scope of the investigation, should have gone to the attorney general which apparently they did. but at the earlier they should are v done that and president should have been advised. otherwise to me the president was poorly served unless there is a mindset in the administration that, you know, they just make believe reality isn't there until after the election. we really believe this was a four-month investigation involving the recollector of the sigh eye and did not come to fruition until election night. >> that's the hard part. >> that was absolutely impossible to believe. >> i agree. it is just not a credible position. but chairman, before i lose you, look, petraeus, great american. great man. but he made a great mistake, peter. he made a great mistake. and i think guys like that have to have honor and have to have personal morality. they have to set an example. i mean, that's also part of this story, is it not. >> it is. and i -- again, i urged general petraeus to run for pres
secondly the moment that the fbi and the fbi director found out or realized general petraeus was within the scope of the investigation, should have gone to the attorney general which apparently they did. but at the earlier they should are v done that and president should have been advised. otherwise to me the president was poorly served unless there is a mindset in the administration that, you know, they just make believe reality isn't there until after the election. we really believe this was...
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was never the target of an fbi investigation. but when his name surfaced in another probe, agents became concerned that petraeus or his e-mail accounts may have been compromised. it all began a few months ago when a female acquaintance of the cia director received a series of harassing e-mails. which apparently referenced petraeus. the woman who sources say is not a government official notified the fbi. federal agents quickly traced those e-mails back to petraeus' biographer paula broadwellment it then revealed evidence of the extramarital affair including numerous cryptic e- mails between the retired four star general and broadwell. she spent time with petraeus in afghanistan doing research for her book "all in -- the education of general david petraeus." last february on a tour, the married mother of two children made this comment -- >> i'm not in love with david petraeus but i think he does represent a terrific role model for people, men and women no matter what. >> reporter: petraeus also a married father of two publicly prai
was never the target of an fbi investigation. but when his name surfaced in another probe, agents became concerned that petraeus or his e-mail accounts may have been compromised. it all began a few months ago when a female acquaintance of the cia director received a series of harassing e-mails. which apparently referenced petraeus. the woman who sources say is not a government official notified the fbi. federal agents quickly traced those e-mails back to petraeus' biographer paula broadwellment...
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she goes to the fbi. and that's how they get to the affair. >> this other woman, and we know she's not in the government and that she's not a family member, complained to the fbi about what she felt were harass k and threatening e-mails. it was that investigation that led -- they were anonymous e-mails. that led to broadwell's e-mail account. and by examining broadwell's, paula broadwell the biographer's e-mail account that's they uncovered or stumbled as they put it into this -- >> there were actually explicit e-mails between broadwell and petraeus. >> or some indication in those e-mails of an ongoing relationship. that's according to fbi officials and other officials with whom we've spoken. it was that -- and we should stress, there was never an investigation into petraeus. and they have pretty much shut down any idea that there was any kind of security or national security leaks. so this is not a criminal matter. and it would have rested there had not, and this is what is new in the last 24 hours, had
she goes to the fbi. and that's how they get to the affair. >> this other woman, and we know she's not in the government and that she's not a family member, complained to the fbi about what she felt were harass k and threatening e-mails. it was that investigation that led -- they were anonymous e-mails. that led to broadwell's e-mail account. and by examining broadwell's, paula broadwell the biographer's e-mail account that's they uncovered or stumbled as they put it into this -- >>...
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i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we supposed to make light of the fact that two republican congressmen were apparently read in on this investigation by the fbi ahead of the white house and ahead of it going through more official channels. if this weren't the krerkt director of the cia this would not be an important story at all. but because each new detail takes the story in a new direction and every civilian involved in the case has hired high profile lawyers and because there's so many unanswered questions, this story rivals anything else going on in the country right now. the reporte
i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we...
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that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's astounding. so given at, that's a lot of e-mail to go through. so perhaps that can added to the length of time that this took. and to my knowledge, it's not that they are looking for an affair. that's not illegal in the cia. they are not looking for an affair. they are looking for any product of an affair that could be constituted as illegal. with that in mind, doesn't protocol go out the window the moment an e-mail is found that constitutes the potential of classified information being in the hands of the wrong person of the mistress? >> i don't think p
that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's...
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rasanier ran the fbi s.w.a.t. team. an fbi s.w.a.t. team was stationed along the beach. kathie gueske dropped off the money. the fbi searched through the night. back at the rented house, charles gueske chained up and blindfolded feared for his life. albakari had left him with sayei and told sayei if i'm not back by 4:00 a.m. go to plan b. it was clear that plan b was to kill gueske and leave the house. >> it was the first time i really believed i was a dead man. and it's interesting it changes your prayer. up until then i had been praying really hard to make sure my family was okay. to ask that i somehow be released or get away or have this thing turn out to be successful. and at that time, during that time period my prayer changed. and the prayer became, you know god it's whatever you're going to decide to do and i'm going to put my life in your hands. and once i did that, i actually felt like i came to peace. >> reporter: next morning, tom la farney and another agent stationed themselves. >> we saw an individual walking across the agricultural fields. we noticed as he
rasanier ran the fbi s.w.a.t. team. an fbi s.w.a.t. team was stationed along the beach. kathie gueske dropped off the money. the fbi searched through the night. back at the rented house, charles gueske chained up and blindfolded feared for his life. albakari had left him with sayei and told sayei if i'm not back by 4:00 a.m. go to plan b. it was clear that plan b was to kill gueske and leave the house. >> it was the first time i really believed i was a dead man. and it's interesting it...
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a member of congress who then reported to eric cantor, the republican leader, who then said to the fbi, tough take this further. they were not, at that stage, going to the white house with it. and questions raised why did it come to the attention of the national intelligence on tuesday, 5:00, election day. why did it not come to the white house's attention the next day wednesday. >> bob, before i turn to you, paula broadwell, writes a book called "all in," david petraeus. part of promoting that book, she did interviews, including on "the "daily show,"" talks a bit about how they struck up this relationship, biographer and subject and her trips to afghanistan. let's watch a portion of that >> >>> you're a runner, and to get to know him, he wanted to run with you. so you ran together? >> this is a typical men -- mechanism he uses to get to know young people. he has done it throughout his life, so, it was an opportunity for me to interview him on a run and i think it was -- i thought i would test him and he tested me and it ended up being a test for both of us since we both ran pretty qui
a member of congress who then reported to eric cantor, the republican leader, who then said to the fbi, tough take this further. they were not, at that stage, going to the white house with it. and questions raised why did it come to the attention of the national intelligence on tuesday, 5:00, election day. why did it not come to the white house's attention the next day wednesday. >> bob, before i turn to you, paula broadwell, writes a book called "all in," david petraeus. part...
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how did the fbi investigation start, how long has it been going on? there's some reports this morning that it's still being pursued in some ways. others are reporting there's no expectation that there will be any criminal indictments against general petraeus or the woman he's alleged to have had an extramarital apair with. the reality is, it's the investigation. it's the scrutiny of his e-mail, that led to his feeling that he had to resign over this. we need to know more, though, obviously, to understand what happened about how it started. and where it stands in terms of the investigation. >> but i understand this gmail account that's being investigated is a personal account. it is not a -- a -- hooked up to the cia, to the pentagon, anything like that. i mean, so it would -- i mean, what's it going to be about? just about personal items? national security would nover have been at risk with something like this, would it? >> the reality of people in government who use their personal accounts and their government accounts is that anything they do, they'
how did the fbi investigation start, how long has it been going on? there's some reports this morning that it's still being pursued in some ways. others are reporting there's no expectation that there will be any criminal indictments against general petraeus or the woman he's alleged to have had an extramarital apair with. the reality is, it's the investigation. it's the scrutiny of his e-mail, that led to his feeling that he had to resign over this. we need to know more, though, obviously, to...
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he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the resignation. he was set to testify about benghazi. here is ralph peters, an analyst for fox news. this is what i'm talking about, this emerging conspiracy theory, and here it is coming from fox. let's watch. >> as an old intelligence analyst, the way i read it, and i could be totally wrong, this is my interpretation is that the administration was unhappy with petraeus not playing ball 100% on their party line story. i think he was getting cold feet about testifying under oath and their party line story, and i suspect these tough chicago guys knew of this
he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the...
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first of all -- excuse me -- how something about emails went to the level of the fbi, how the fbi could have been investigating it this long, and yet, you know, general petraeus was involved, director petraeus was involved. for me if it was the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest state so it seems to be going on for several months and, yet, now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up, and you have this type of investigation. the fbi investigating emails, the emails leading to the cia director and taking four months to find out that the cia director was involved. i have real questions about this. i think a timeline has to be looked at and analyzed to see what happened. now, as far as leaving the hole, general petraeus was an outstanding general, outstanding, dedicated public official. he is going to be missed. as i'm sure senator mendez would agree, no one is irreplaceable in government, but he will have at least a short-term
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the fbi, cia, pentagon, the white house and congress. >> i am puzzled by what has occurred in the fbi investigation. >> reporter: the form e director admitted to an affair with broadwell which came to light when the fbi investigated what were described as jealous e-mails that broadwell sent to kelley. now allen is under investigation for sending e- mails to kelley. authorities are scouring 20 to 30,000 pages of document. >> it makes you wonder how he would have the time to do it and motivation to do that from afar. >> reporter: the news about allen which president obama learned about the same day petraeus resigned has put allen's nomination to be nato's stream commander on hold. he remains on duty in afghanistan. >> the president has great confidence in the military. great confidence in his commanders and will continue to have that confidence. >> reporter: defense officials tell cnn there's a distinct possibility this is connected to the petraeus fbi investigation. fbi agents removed property from broadwell's home on monday. >> she's cooperating. the question are these classified docu
the fbi, cia, pentagon, the white house and congress. >> i am puzzled by what has occurred in the fbi investigation. >> reporter: the form e director admitted to an affair with broadwell which came to light when the fbi investigated what were described as jealous e-mails that broadwell sent to kelley. now allen is under investigation for sending e- mails to kelley. authorities are scouring 20 to 30,000 pages of document. >> it makes you wonder how he would have the time to do...
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they passed the information on to the fbi here. there's definitely some real questions about what was the motivation of that fbi agent in reporting that. >> what it comes down with the house and senate intel committee going to vet all of this with hearings, we're going to find out that the right wing is early terribly wrong or they were onto something? that's the way it's going to come down. >> and that maybe the investigation and everything that happened happened the way -- just as a reminder, the protocols in place at the department of justice, he reminded everybody of that under george bush. >> yes, he did. karen finney, thank you. there's a lot more in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay right with us. >> is traditional america gone for good? >> the mayor of cable news cannot believe white men are losing their grip on power. mike and joan will break down his latest tirade. >> mr. obama won the woman vote, blacks and asians but the hispanic vote really nailed romney. it was an entitlement vote this year. >> get up cringekr
they passed the information on to the fbi here. there's definitely some real questions about what was the motivation of that fbi agent in reporting that. >> what it comes down with the house and senate intel committee going to vet all of this with hearings, we're going to find out that the right wing is early terribly wrong or they were onto something? that's the way it's going to come down. >> and that maybe the investigation and everything that happened happened the way -- just as...
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that individual went to the fbi in the pursuit of that review of that threat. they came upon access to e-mails of mr. petraeus. and with this individual. and their concern maybe that his personal e-mails had been hacked and therefore the possibility of a security threat. and i think that if that is the sequence of events that's perfectly understandable. obviously, you know, there was a discussion between jim clapper and petraeus and there was a decision by general petraeus that it was in his best interests of himself, the agency, and his family to resign. so unless something else comes out i think it's pretty clear. i don't see a conspiracy behind every curtain as some of my colleagues do. >> okay. senator, let me turn to the so-called fiscal cliff, which now we're looking at through the prism of what just happened in the elections. as far as you're concerned, is there a mandate that came out of this election that taxes should be raised on the wealthy? that seems to be what democrats are arguing. >> i think there are two mandates. number one is the electorate w
that individual went to the fbi in the pursuit of that review of that threat. they came upon access to e-mails of mr. petraeus. and with this individual. and their concern maybe that his personal e-mails had been hacked and therefore the possibility of a security threat. and i think that if that is the sequence of events that's perfectly understandable. obviously, you know, there was a discussion between jim clapper and petraeus and there was a decision by general petraeus that it was in his...
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and that's what causes her to turn the e-mails over to the fbi and the fbi to take them quite seriously. >> now, what can you you tell us about paula broadwell who they traced these e-mails back to? >> well, look, it took some time because as one source told me, she had covered her tracks quite women and it was not at all clear who the sender was originally. but they did trace it back to paula bloodwell. paula broadwell clearly was quite public about her friendship with general petraeus. i was actually on a panel with paula broadwell at the aspen security forum last july in which she was quite open about how much access she had to general petraeus when she was writing the biography of him, how she also had access to classified information. this made people uncomfortable. she made a point of saying she had a high level security clearance and that she didn't consider herself a journalist. and i should point out that there were a lot of people close to general petraeus who wondered why he had chosen paula broadwell who had no background as a journalist, no background as a biographer, to be
and that's what causes her to turn the e-mails over to the fbi and the fbi to take them quite seriously. >> now, what can you you tell us about paula broadwell who they traced these e-mails back to? >> well, look, it took some time because as one source told me, she had covered her tracks quite women and it was not at all clear who the sender was originally. but they did trace it back to paula bloodwell. paula broadwell clearly was quite public about her friendship with general...